Challenging red pill ideology- part 1.
The Red Pill Movement has gained momentum in recent years. It’s a movement that originates from within the Manosphere- a series of online male-centred communities that tend to hold misogynistic and anti-feminist views.
These Red Pill men believe that men are oppressed and that feminism is at the root of the issues that men face. They also believe in and promote the return to traditional gender roles and behaviours. They also endorse toxic masculinity. Men who do not support this toxic ideology are labelled as “simps.” A simp is an offensive term referring to a man who is submissive, puts a woman on a pedestal, and doesn’t conform to toxic masculine ideals.
The Red Pill ideology is extremely toxic and bitter. I’ve been hooked on watching a YouTube podcast with my fiancé called The Whatever Podcast. Whilst the show which can be entertaining at times does debate some interesting issues and calls out entitled and delusional women, it ultimately promotes Red Pill ideology. Sometimes, I have to tune out because it can get extremely toxic, especially as the men on the show advocate for traditional gender roles and behaviours, as well as damaging double standards.
This series will focus on some common views that this podcast and the Red Pill ideology holds. I will also attempt to challenge and debunk these assumptions in this series.
Assumption #1: Women with high body counts are undesirable whilst body count for men is completely irrelevant.
Body count is a topic that is constantly mentioned on The Whatever Podcast. The male contributers on the podcast constantly harp on about how they would never date a woman with a high body count and that a virgin is preferable.
It would be understandable for these men to have reservations if a woman had a body count of, say, 50 or 100, but these men consider a body count of 5 or 6 and above to be high! Apart from one of the occasional male contributers who is himself a virgin, these men are delusional to expect a virgin or woman with an extremely low body count when they themselves likely have a body count of over 5 or 6!
It makes total sense to be a virgin and to want to be with another virgin, or to have a body count of say five and want someone with the same body count, but for a man to have a high body count and want to be with a woman with an extremely low or no body count is absolute madness!
These men on The Whatever Podcast claim that women with a body count of over five or six have issues with pair bonding, but the same doesn’t apply to men even if they have a body count of 100!
The Red Pill Movement cherry picks biased studies to try and prove their point. This double standard is not supported by mainstream psychology or sociological research. A study by the Institute of Family Studies found that there is an “absence of any gender difference in how premarital sex affects marital stability.” Although it does allege that higher body counts in both genders correlates to high divorce rates, it admits that further research is needed to identify the causes. https://ifstudies.org/blog/testing-common-theories-on-the-relationship-between-premarital-sex-and-marital-stability?
Having said that, studies have many limitations, including limited sample size and demographics. Also, people are more than just statistics. By putting people into boxes, you’re failing to see people as individuals with their own unique set of circumstances, experiences, and stories.
Just because a woman has a high body count, it doesn’t mean she’s incapable of finding lasting love and a deep connection with one person. What is considered a high body count is variable. Some consider two bodies “high”, others consider 50 plus high.
Although I think promiscuity for both men and women is bad, people make mistakes. Society sends a lot of mixed messages to women. We’re told to respect ourselves, but that men still only care about sex. We’re told that sex will empower us, but others will judge us. We’re told that we should be educated and intelligent, but men won’t respect us for it. We’re told to chase a man even though he’s mean to us. We’re told to make a man happy even if it’s at our own expense. We’re told not to put out easily and make men wait, though they ignore you if you do that.
Extreme promiscuity (I’m talking 50+ partners, especially in the span of a couple of years) indicates a serious issue for both men and women. It can be used as a coping mechanism to cope with trauma. It often results in low self-esteem and gaining validation through sex. There’s also an increased risk of STDs, unwanted pregnancies, and health issues such as catching HPV.
However, I think you shouldn’t judge somebody based on their past if they’ve actively changed their ways and their value system, and have dealt with the causes behind their promiscuity. Understandably, some people may be wary of being with somebody who has a past of extreme promiscuity, but it doesn’t mean that person is ruined or that a man who would give them a chance is a simp.
These Red Pill men are extremely delusional. Do they really think that most virgins or women with low body counts wouldn’t be put off by men with high body counts? They think that having experience is attractive to a woman. Well, let me tell you that experience and high body count don’t always go hand in hand. Just because a man has run through 100 women doesn’t mean that he knows how to pleasure a woman.
These Red Pill men are threatened by women with a “high” body count because they fear that she has too much experience and that they won’t be good enough. Like I said, just because you’ve slept with a bunch of people, it doesn’t make you an expert or mean that you’ve experienced good sex.
I have what these Red Pill men would consider a high body count (my body count is thirteen), but sex with my fiancé is the best that I’ve ever had. He’s the first guy who has ever made me orgasm. I had sex with guys who didn’t care about my pleasure and were disconnected during sex, even my ex-boyfriends.
My fiancé doesn’t care about my body count. He never asked. I was the one who chose to reveal it. My body count has never made him feel emasculated. In fact, most men don’t care about body count. Even my dad didn’t care about my mum’s body count (she had a few boyfriends and flings before she met my dad).
Men who are secure in themselves don’t care. I can understand the concern if the body count is extreme, but it’s unusual for most women to have extreme body counts unless they’re sex workers or are going out getting laid with a different man almost every week.
I’ve also known and heard of quite a few virgins who aren’t as pure as they seem. They will wait until marriage to have penetrative sex, but before then they’ll mess around with other people and do everything apart from penetration such as oral. Virginity does not necessarily equate to purity and pure behaviour. A low or no body count doesn’t automatically equate to good values or moral behaviour.
Obsession with body count means that these Red Pill men disqualify and overlook women who have other positive attributes and values. They also put women with a certain number of bodies into a box, not taking into consideration personal circumstances and context.
Red Pill men, if you can’t stand women with high body counts, you should practice what you preach. You yourself should have a low or no body count and not engage in pornography. If you watch porn and sleep with lots of women whilst condemning them, you’re a hypocrite and are inadvertently contributing to hook up and porn culture.
You claim that there are few pure women with low or no body counts out there, but you’re happy to exploit women and give sex workers a platform for your own sexual gratification.
If women didn’t want to have sex with you and if there was a lack of sex work, you’d be protesting how women are so frigid and sexless. You do like women with high body counts, but only when it suits you. You want your cake and to eat it too. You want a homely virgin in the home who will cook and clean, and a 304 on the side that you can jack off to.
The women with “high” body counts have a lucky escape from men like you. I feel sorry for the virgins and women with low body counts who will be coerced, manipulated and controlled by these men especially if they’re unlucky enough to get married to them.
Join me next time for part two. As usual, let me know your thoughts in the comments below.
